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Karen

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:42 pm
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I'm pinging Julie because I *think* Sam has a collapsed lobe? Do you know
which one? Your vet is much more experienced than mine (Pearl is their first
inhaled meds kitty). Here is what has been going on with us:

We had xrays for the first time in a couple of years yesterday along with a
bunch of other tests because Pearl had a very bad night the other night (she
seemed weak, confused, and just acted very oddly, the next day was better
but still wobbly and kind of holding her head low; blood sugar was not
indicative of a diabetes problem). It seems unrelated to the asthma, we
think maybe low potassium was the culprit. However, the one bad note of
everything tested (besides some renal insufficiency, which in all honesty we
both expected given she is 12 and has diabetes and the readings were
*barely* indicative of that) is that her left front cranial lung lobe has
what the vet called "consolidated", I suppose that means collapsed? She says
usually it is the right, but all have the potential. I can find little info
on feline lung lobes. The rest of the lungs, she said, look great. So, I
mean, we all know, you don't STOP asthma, so I guess it is to be expected?
We decided I should go to twice a day dosing, because I do think breathing
has been a bit harder this summer. Now I know why, I guess. I was trying to
be real upbeat and I know there are 4 other lobes, but it is harder than
heck to get anyone to talk about it on the asthma group. The other
disheartening thing is that she is very irritated since the manual
expression of her bladder. She's better today than last night, but it's just
so sad to see her uncomfortable over something that was avoidable. We won't
be doing THAT again. I am seeing if I can get some meds for this for
tonight. I"m sure it will continue to improve but she is so brave about
everything at home, and I am only trying to give her the best care and then
this happens. Some days I just feel beat.

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GaDragonfly

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:00 pm
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I'm here Karen, give me a minute to read your post.
Julie


Karen wrote:
> I'm pinging Julie because I *think* Sam has a collapsed lobe? Do you know
> which one? Your vet is much more experienced than mine (Pearl is their first
> inhaled meds kitty). Here is what has been going on with us:
>
> We had xrays for the first time in a couple of years yesterday along with a
> bunch of other tests because Pearl had a very bad night the other night (she
> seemed weak, confused, and just acted very oddly, the next day was better
> but still wobbly and kind of holding her head low; blood sugar was not
> indicative of a diabetes problem). It seems unrelated to the asthma, we
> think maybe low potassium was the culprit. However, the one bad note of
> everything tested (besides some renal insufficiency, which in all honesty we
> both expected given she is 12 and has diabetes and the readings were
> *barely* indicative of that) is that her left front cranial lung lobe has
> what the vet called "consolidated", I suppose that means collapsed? She says
> usually it is the right, but all have the potential. I can find little info
> on feline lung lobes. The rest of the lungs, she said, look great. So, I
> mean, we all know, you don't STOP asthma, so I guess it is to be expected?
> We decided I should go to twice a day dosing, because I do think breathing
> has been a bit harder this summer. Now I know why, I guess. I was trying to
> be real upbeat and I know there are 4 other lobes, but it is harder than
> heck to get anyone to talk about it on the asthma group. The other
> disheartening thing is that she is very irritated since the manual
> expression of her bladder. She's better today than last night, but it's just
> so sad to see her uncomfortable over something that was avoidable. We won't
> be doing THAT again. I am seeing if I can get some meds for this for
> tonight. I"m sure it will continue to improve but she is so brave about
> everything at home, and I am only trying to give her the best care and then
> this happens. Some days I just feel beat.

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GaDragonfly

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:45 pm
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On Oct 25, 12:00 am, GaDragonfly wrote:
> I'm here Karen, give me a minute to read your post.
> Julie
>
> Karen wrote:
> > I'm pinging Julie because I *think* Sam has a collapsed lobe? Do you know
> > which one? Your vet is much more experienced than mine (Pearl is their first
> > inhaled meds kitty). Here is what has been going on with us:
>
> > We had xrays for the first time in a couple of years yesterday along with a
> > bunch of other tests because Pearl had a very bad night the other night (she
> > seemed weak, confused, and just acted very oddly, the next day was better
> > but still wobbly and kind of holding her head low; blood sugar was not
> > indicative of a diabetes problem). It seems unrelated to the asthma, we
> > think maybe low potassium was the culprit. However, the one bad note of
> > everything tested (besides some renal insufficiency, which in all honesty we
> > both expected given she is 12 and has diabetes and the readings were
> > *barely* indicative of that) is that her left front cranial lung lobe has
> > what the vet called "consolidated", I suppose that means collapsed? She says
> > usually it is the right, but all have the potential. I can find little info
> > on feline lung lobes. The rest of the lungs, she said, look great. So, I
> > mean, we all know, you don't STOP asthma, so I guess it is to be expected?
> > We decided I should go to twice a day dosing, because I do think breathing
> > has been a bit harder this summer. Now I know why, I guess. I was trying to
> > be real upbeat and I know there are 4 other lobes, but it is harder than
> > heck to get anyone to talk about it on the asthma group. The other
> > disheartening thing is that she is very irritated since the manual
> > expression of her bladder. She's better today than last night, but it's just
> > so sad to see her uncomfortable over something that was avoidable. We won't
> > be doing THAT again. I am seeing if I can get some meds for this for
> > tonight. I"m sure it will continue to improve but she is so brave about
> > everything at home, and I am only trying to give her the best care and then
> > this happens. Some days I just feel beat.

Karen,

Can you see the rods and donuts on her lung xrays? Is it possible she
might have an infection of some type? I realized we had a problem with
Sam after he had been sleeping all day in the bed. I walked past the
hallway and Sam was laying in the middle of the hall. I teased him
about "sleeping beauty" waking up. I put some dishes in the kitchen
and walked back across the hall and Sam had moved about 2 feet and was
laying flat out. I decided to check closer and he was gasping for
breath and his abdomen was heaving in and out as if he was breathing
from his abdomen. His breath was very fast and his tongue was
sticking out. He wouldn't stand up for any reason. I gathered him up
and took him to the ER vet.

I just pulled Sam's initial ER vet report which read:

Attitude: Depressed, weak, Shocky
General Appearance: skin turgor ok
Eyes: Mydraiasis (A mydriatic pupil will remain excessively large,
even in a bright environment.)
Oral: Tacky cyanotic
Circulatory: Normal rate, muffled, pulses weak
Respiratory; Dyspnea, orthopnea, wheezes, crackles, harsh sounds,
acute respiratory distress

Radiograph results: collapsed right middle lung lobe, something
bronchial pattern, early inlusional avelolar

Reading through his chart it appears through the night Saturday and
all day Sunday he was moved in and out of oxygen. At 12:15 pm Sunday
a new x-ray was taken that showed improved right middle lobe aerotion
and improved bronchial pattern.


That doesn't all make sense, but I have trouble reading a lot of this
third copy. I wish they wouldn't use NCR paper but rather copy the
originals for the patient's file.

Sam was immediately put in an oxygen cage and kept there for three
days. They gave him Terbuteline which is a broncodilator. He'd
recently had a long term steroids so they avoided giving him more
steriods but recommended I get started on inhaled Flovent as soon as
possible. I took him in on a Saturday evening and picked him up on
Monday morning. He was on oxygen the entire time. I went straight to
my regular vet who gave me an inhaler and rx for flovent and
albuterol. We started with 2 puffs of 220 mg of Flovent twice a day
and I've never gone below that. When Sam has attacks I usually add
Albuterol about 15 minutes prior to the Flovent to make sure his lungs
are opened and receiving the Flovent.



Definitions: Dyspnea: Difficult or labored breathing; shortness of
breath.
Dyspnea is a sign of serious disease of the airway, lungs, or heart.
The onset of dyspnea should not be ignored but is reason to seek
medical attention.

Orthopnea (Greek from ortho, straight + pnoia, breath) is dyspnea
which occurs when lying flat, causing the person to have to sleep
propped up in bed or sitting in a chair. Orthopnoea is a symptom of
heart failure. It can also occur in those with asthma and chronic
bronchitis, as well as those with sleep apnea or panic disorder. The
condition is often due to left ventricular failure and/or pulmonary
edema. It is also associated with Polycystic Liver Disease.

Patients with orthopnoea often complain of waking up suddenly during
the night 'unable to breathe' if they have slipped down from their
pillows into the supine position. They may run to the window to 'get
some air'.

It is commonly measured according to the number of pillows needed to
prop the patient up to enable breathing (Example: "3 pillow
orthopnea").

Karen, if you want to call me tomorrow, send me an emai at the above
email. I'll call you as soon as I can.

Julie
purrs from Sam, Hobbes, Lacey and Barnabus
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:06 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:06 am
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Karen wrote:
> Some days I just feel beat.
>

{{{Karen}}} I wish I had some advice for you, but this is completely
unknown territory for me. All we can do is send lots and lots of purrs
over the pond. Give yourself a break. It's not your fault.

But I know the feeling. You'd do anything to make it better, if there
only was anything you could do.

--
Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.
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Karen

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:51 pm
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Ha. That is the ONLY thing I can find on the internet. Well, I will have to
call my vet and get some clarification on this issue. I am apparently taking
it harder than Pearl. She mostly does not seem too distressed. Her fur is
sure not very good though but that can be as much from higher blood sugar as
anything. In the end, I may just have to just treat her symptomatically and
just not worry. No specialists around here. I do want to know if she thinks
it is filled with fluid, I wonder if she shouldn't have some ABs. The rest
of her lungs look very good. It's just very stressful. I really appreciate
your posts. It sounds different than Sam's stuff really. I think I am just
feeling out of control.

"GaDragonfly" wrote in message

> Karen,
> Check out this article: http://www.jaaha.org/cgi/reprint/34/6/493.pdf
>
> Julie
>
>
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:27 pm
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Karen wrote:
> I'm pinging Julie because I *think* Sam has a collapsed lobe? Do you know
> which one? Your vet is much more experienced than mine (Pearl is their first
> inhaled meds kitty). Here is what has been going on with us:
>
> We had xrays for the first time in a couple of years yesterday along with a
> bunch of other tests because Pearl had a very bad night the other night (she
> seemed weak, confused, and just acted very oddly, the next day was better
> but still wobbly and kind of holding her head low; blood sugar was not
> indicative of a diabetes problem). It seems unrelated to the asthma, we
> think maybe low potassium was the culprit. However, the one bad note of
> everything tested (besides some renal insufficiency, which in all honesty we
> both expected given she is 12 and has diabetes and the readings were
> *barely* indicative of that) is that her left front cranial lung lobe has
> what the vet called "consolidated", I suppose that means collapsed? She says
> usually it is the right, but all have the potential. I can find little info
> on feline lung lobes. The rest of the lungs, she said, look great. So, I
> mean, we all know, you don't STOP asthma, so I guess it is to be expected?
> We decided I should go to twice a day dosing, because I do think breathing
> has been a bit harder this summer. Now I know why, I guess. I was trying to
> be real upbeat and I know there are 4 other lobes, but it is harder than
> heck to get anyone to talk about it on the asthma group. The other
> disheartening thing is that she is very irritated since the manual
> expression of her bladder. She's better today than last night, but it's just
> so sad to see her uncomfortable over something that was avoidable. We won't
> be doing THAT again. I am seeing if I can get some meds for this for
> tonight. I"m sure it will continue to improve but she is so brave about
> everything at home, and I am only trying to give her the best care and then
> this happens. Some days I just feel beat.
>
{{{{{{Karen}}}}}}}

Purrs to you and Pearl

Ginger-lyn
mom to two asthmatic kitties, and an asthmatic herself


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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:46 pm
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Karen wrote:

> I'm pinging Julie because I *think* Sam has a collapsed lobe? Do you know
> which one? Your vet is much more experienced than mine (Pearl is their first
> inhaled meds kitty). Here is what has been going on with us:
>
> We had xrays for the first time in a couple of years yesterday along with a
> bunch of other tests because Pearl had a very bad night the other night (she
> seemed weak, confused, and just acted very oddly, the next day was better
> but still wobbly and kind of holding her head low; blood sugar was not
> indicative of a diabetes problem). It seems unrelated to the asthma, we
> think maybe low potassium was the culprit. However, the one bad note of
> everything tested (besides some renal insufficiency, which in all honesty we
> both expected given she is 12 and has diabetes and the readings were
> *barely* indicative of that) is that her left front cranial lung lobe has
> what the vet called "consolidated", I suppose that means collapsed? She says
> usually it is the right, but all have the potential. I can find little info
> on feline lung lobes. The rest of the lungs, she said, look great. So, I
> mean, we all know, you don't STOP asthma, so I guess it is to be expected?
> We decided I should go to twice a day dosing, because I do think breathing
> has been a bit harder this summer. Now I know why, I guess. I was trying to
> be real upbeat and I know there are 4 other lobes, but it is harder than
> heck to get anyone to talk about it on the asthma group. The other
> disheartening thing is that she is very irritated since the manual
> expression of her bladder. She's better today than last night, but it's just
> so sad to see her uncomfortable over something that was avoidable. We won't
> be doing THAT again. I am seeing if I can get some meds for this for
> tonight. I"m sure it will continue to improve but she is so brave about
> everything at home, and I am only trying to give her the best care and then
> this happens. Some days I just feel beat.


Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
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